Re: Microsoft Not So Keen On HD Re-Releases For Xbox 360

by Ezio Auditore Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:09 am

Xbox 360= FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!

by MEGAlan Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:36 am

CyberpunkCentral wrote:
TRF wrote:CC, if Retro Studios can fit two Gamecube games (with improved graphics and motion controls) and a Wii game into one Metroid Prime Trilogy disc, then I'm sure Microsoft could do the same with, say, Halo.

"Metroid Prime: Trilogy" is not in 720p upscale. That's the point i'm trying to make. Sure Microsoft can make a "Halo" collection, but will the DVD have enough space to upscale the games into 720p? With Blu-ray you don't have to worry about all that.

CC, the majority of a game's disc content has nothing to do with a game's output resolution. There is a certain part of the disc space (average 100 MBs) that are used for basic game engine assets. Even then, the resolution of a game is pretty much entirely dependant on RAM budget. If anything the X360 is more capable of producing a 1280 X 720 framebuffer than the PS3 is since it has a high-bandwidth 10mb eDRAM attached to the Xenos GPU as opposed to the PS3's RSX which doesn't. Not only can it run a hypothetical Halo collection in HD, but they can also probably squeeze 2xMSAA or 4xMSAA considering the older Halo's have really simple textures.

Hell, they could probably use the Reach engine to create the Halo collections and it could STILL fit on one disc. Halo Reach has more content than Halo CE and 2 combined. It's called progression in game engine technology and compression techniques. Smile

The amount of storage required for movies and videos on the other hand is largely dependant on the resolution. Pre-rendered video files take up MUCH more space than game content actually does.

Now please dude, just stop. ROFL

by Jamin Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:42 am

TRF wrote:CC, if Retro Studios can fit two Gamecube games (with improved graphics and motion controls) and a Wii game into one Metroid Prime Trilogy disc, then I'm sure Microsoft could do the same with, say, Halo.

The reason why all three games fit on one disc, is because Metriod Prime was only 1.3 gigs, Prime 2 was only 1.4 gigs, and Prime 3 was 4.3 gigs. Thats only 7 gigs, that's why it fits on one Wii DL disc. Microsoft uses nearly 2 gigs of their discs for security.

by Gutzahn Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:08 am

Bluray >> DvD FACT

Bluray = more space for resolution, high-res texture and high quality sound. FACT

by Stoney Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:46 am

We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up. Smile

by SlySonji™ Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:24 pm

Stoney wrote:We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up.

THIS.

by CyberpunkCentral Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:56 pm

Alan_1994 wrote:
CyberpunkCentral wrote:
TRF wrote:CC, if Retro Studios can fit two Gamecube games (with improved graphics and motion controls) and a Wii game into one Metroid Prime Trilogy disc, then I'm sure Microsoft could do the same with, say, Halo.

"Metroid Prime: Trilogy" is not in 720p upscale. That's the point i'm trying to make. Sure Microsoft can make a "Halo" collection, but will the DVD have enough space to upscale the games into 720p? With Blu-ray you don't have to worry about all that.

CC, the majority of a game's disc content has nothing to do with a game's output resolution. There is a certain part of the disc space (average 100 MBs) that are used for basic game engine assets. Even then, the resolution of a game is pretty much entirely dependant on RAM budget. If anything the X360 is more capable of producing a 1280 X 720 framebuffer than the PS3 is since it has a high-bandwidth 10mb eDRAM attached to the Xenos GPU as opposed to the PS3's RSX which doesn't. Not only can it run a hypothetical Halo collection in HD, but they can also probably squeeze 2xMSAA or 4xMSAA considering the older Halo's have really simple textures.

Hell, they could probably use the Reach engine to create the Halo collections and it could STILL fit on one disc. Halo Reach has more content than Halo CE and 2 combined. It's called progression in game engine technology and compression techniques.

The amount of storage required for movies and videos on the other hand is largely dependant on the resolution. Pre-rendered video files take up MUCH more space than game content actually does.

Now please dude, just stop.

Fine Alan, you prove your point. Xbox 360 doesn't need Blu-ray. Happy now?

by **TRF** Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:57 pm

CyberpunkCentral wrote:Fine Alan, you prove your point. Xbox 360 doesn't need Blu-ray. Happy now?

You got trashed, CC. FATALITY. Laughing

by Reaper Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:41 pm

Stoney wrote:We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up.

Um....no.
I HAZ TWO FLOPPY DISKS.

by SlySonji™ Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:46 pm

Reaper wrote:
Stoney wrote:We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up.

Um....no.
I HAZ TWO FLOPPY DISKS.

I HAZ 3

by **TRF** Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:34 pm

Jamin wrote:
TRF wrote:CC, if Retro Studios can fit two Gamecube games (with improved graphics and motion controls) and a Wii game into one Metroid Prime Trilogy disc, then I'm sure Microsoft could do the same with, say, Halo.
The reason why all three games fit on one disc, is because Metriod Prime was only 1.3 gigs, Prime 2 was only 1.4 gigs, and Prime 3 was 4.3 gigs. Thats only 7 gigs, that's why it fits on one Wii DL disc. Microsoft uses nearly 2 gigs of their discs for security.

A better example is this: Halo: Reach. It's a massive game, but was somehow compressed or something to be under 9GB. If Reach can be put on one disc, then so can 2-3 Xbox Originals.

by TheJubJub5721 Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:10 pm

Stoney wrote:We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up.

QFT

by Gutzahn Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:49 pm

Reaper wrote:
Stoney wrote:We all know cartridges are the best so just shut up.

Um....no.
I HAZ TWO FLOPPY DISKS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfgvsCScsA&feature=channel

1:20 to 2:00

dun wury i hav .... 2 FLOPY DISKZ!

by HellJumper Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:39 pm

I dont care about HD releases except if it had "halo" on the cover

by CyberpunkCentral Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:40 am

HellJumper wrote:I dont care about HD releases except if it had "halo" on the cover

Of course you don't. You don't own a PS3 Laughing

by SlySonji™ Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:57 am

CyberpunkCentral wrote:
HellJumper wrote:I dont care about HD releases except if it had "halo" on the cover

Of course you don't. You don't own a PS3

OWNT

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