Comparison of Game engines PART 1

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

CyberpunkCentral wrote:I highly doubt "Forza Motorsport 4" will look up to par with "Gran Turismo 5" in terms of graphics. But I will say that it is possible for "Forza Motorsport 4" to look better then the previous titles on Xbox 360.

gow wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:I highly doubt "Forza Motorsport 4" will look up to par with "Gran Turismo 5" in terms of graphics. But I will say that it is possible for "Forza Motorsport 4" to look better then the previous titles on Xbox 360.

why do you do that? you realise you can just write Forza 4 or GT5 and we'll know what you're talking about

SlySonji™ wrote:On the topic of Forza and such, wasn't the team behind PGR purchased by Activision? Does that mean that the next game in the series will possibly go multiplatform? Or does Microsoft own it?

SlySonji™ wrote:On the topic of Forza and such, wasn't the team behind PGR purchased by Activision? Does that mean that the next game in the series will possibly go multiplatform? Or does Microsoft own it?

Alan_1994 wrote:

SlySonji™ wrote:On the topic of Forza and such, wasn't the team behind PGR purchased by Activision? Does that mean that the next game in the series will possibly go multiplatform? Or does Microsoft own it?

Microsoft owns the PGR IP.

gow wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

SlySonji™ wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

SlySonji™ wrote:On the topic of Forza and such, wasn't the team behind PGR purchased by Activision? Does that mean that the next game in the series will possibly go multiplatform? Or does Microsoft own it?

Microsoft owns the PGR IP.

Ah. I've never played any of them and I've had quite the interest to do so lately.

CyberpunkCentral wrote:It's not fair to compare a full game to a demo.

I doubt that "Forza Motorsport 4" will even change much from the third game. But hey that's just my opinon.

Also stop double posting.

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

It is more colorful than GT5 (demos). You can't seriously base the graphics of the full GT5 on largely off-screen videos with some trailers that used photomode asset which enhances lighting and colors.

You also can't base how head-tracking works off of a video. A feature like that can't be observed. That's like trying to observe how well GT5's 3D mode is based on off-screen videos.

This is not me trying to be a fanboy or trying to be negative. It's an honest observation when I say that Forza seems more colorful especially in it's enviroments and track detail. Some people think this makes Forza look "cartoony" but others think it makes Forza look more "alive".

GT5's tech is ahead of Forza 3, but not as much as you think. Just add GT5's lighting and anti-aliasing and they could be pretty comparable. This is why I'm confident Forza 4 vs GT5 shall be a very interesting comparison.

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

It is more colorful than GT5 (demos). You can't seriously base the graphics of the full GT5 on largely off-screen videos with some trailers that used photomode asset which enhances lighting and colors.

You also can't base how head-tracking works off of a video. A feature like that can't be observed. That's like trying to observe how well GT5's 3D mode is based on off-screen videos.

This is not me trying to be a fanboy or trying to be negative. It's an honest observation when I say that Forza seems more colorful especially in it's enviroments and track detail. Some people think this makes Forza look "cartoony" but others think it makes Forza look more "alive".

GT5's tech is ahead of Forza 3, but not as much as you think. Just add GT5's lighting and anti-aliasing and they could be pretty comparable. This is why I'm confident Forza 4 vs GT5 shall be a very interesting comparison.

SlySonji wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

It is more colorful than GT5 (demos). You can't seriously base the graphics of the full GT5 on largely off-screen videos with some trailers that used photomode asset which enhances lighting and colors.

You also can't base how head-tracking works off of a video. A feature like that can't be observed. That's like trying to observe how well GT5's 3D mode is based on off-screen videos.

This is not me trying to be a fanboy or trying to be negative. It's an honest observation when I say that Forza seems more colorful especially in it's enviroments and track detail. Some people think this makes Forza look "cartoony" but others think it makes Forza look more "alive".

GT5's tech is ahead of Forza 3, but not as much as you think. Just add GT5's lighting and anti-aliasing and they could be pretty comparable. This is why I'm confident Forza 4 vs GT5 shall be a very interesting comparison.

Personally, I think that Forza 3 went for the much more cartoony look and GT5 went for the 'realism' look. I mean, have you seen how saturated those Forza 3 cars are?

Alan_1994 wrote:

SlySonji wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:

Alan_1994 wrote:

gow wrote:Great Topic

GT5 obviously looks 100x better because it came out 1 year later. But lets be honest Alan_1994 Forza 4 won't be able to beat GT5. Also GT5 can everything in 3D with PSeye Head Tracking, with an amazing frame rate, 1080p resolution (I think it can do 3D and 1080p correct me if I'm wrong), and breathtaking wheather effects

Cool, a couple things wrong with that post though..

-I never said anything about Forza 4.

never said you did that was a statement lol

-GT5 doesn't look 100x better, but I know you were exagerrating.

obviously but it does look alot better

-GT5 is 3D capable, but it runs in sub-1080p and has to be upscaled to achieve full 1080p.

thank you for correcting me, just like ALL 360 "1080p games"

-I read on GT planet that the head tracking is garbo..

really based off the video's that Ive seen it looks great

But on the topic of Forza 4....There was a huge improvement in graphics from Forza 2 to Forza 3. I'm not saying we can expect the same leap, but they never said they maxed out the X360 while Polyphony actually said that they completely drained the PS3's resources. I think Forza 4 will atleast be on par in a technical standpoint...but both games have their signature artstyles and looks. Forza tends to look more colorful and crisp, GT tends to look more authentic. We will see next year what Turn 10 has to offer, but for now lets hold the speculation.

how is forza 3 more colorful than Gt5 I just saw 2 to 3 vids of GT5 and its alot more colorful than Forza 3 (base off of the demo that Ive played and videos that I have seen

It is more colorful than GT5 (demos). You can't seriously base the graphics of the full GT5 on largely off-screen videos with some trailers that used photomode asset which enhances lighting and colors.

You also can't base how head-tracking works off of a video. A feature like that can't be observed. That's like trying to observe how well GT5's 3D mode is based on off-screen videos.

This is not me trying to be a fanboy or trying to be negative. It's an honest observation when I say that Forza seems more colorful especially in it's enviroments and track detail. Some people think this makes Forza look "cartoony" but others think it makes Forza look more "alive".

GT5's tech is ahead of Forza 3, but not as much as you think. Just add GT5's lighting and anti-aliasing and they could be pretty comparable. This is why I'm confident Forza 4 vs GT5 shall be a very interesting comparison.

Personally, I think that Forza 3 went for the much more cartoony look and GT5 went for the 'realism' look. I mean, have you seen how saturated those Forza 3 cars are?

Some people like that look...And quite frankly on some of the fictional tracks it looks gorgeous.

It is more colorful than GT5 (demos). You can't seriously base the graphics of the full GT5 on largely off-screen videos
with some trailers that used photomode asset which enhances lighting and colors.

You also can't base how head-tracking works off of a video. A feature like that can't be observed. That's like trying to observe how well GT5's 3D mode is based on off-screen videos.

This is not me trying to be a fanboy or trying to be negative. It's an honest observation when I say that Forza seems more colorful especially in it's enviroments and track detail. Some people think this makes Forza look "cartoony" but others think it makes Forza looks more "alive".

its more of an opinion than an observation IMO (see what did there )

GT5's tech is ahead of Forza 3, but not as much as you think. Just add GT5's lighting and anti-aliasing and they could be pretty comparable. This is why I'm confident Forza 4 vs GT5 shall be a very interesting comparison.

how is it not that much ahead GT5 looks better than Forza 3 in every possible way Track detail is arguable when Gt5 comes out. But think about it. Playing a racing sim sub 1080p or 720p, in 3D, in 60FPS, with realtime damage, and breathtaking whether affects, with the lighting GT5 has. Can Forza 3 do half of the 6 things at once? Thats why I consider Gt5's tech alot better than Forza 3's.

I own a xbox 360 by the way if were thinking that I don't

Alan_1994 wrote:Woah.

GT5 doesn't have "real time damage". That's BS. It's largely prescripted, and 800 of the cars won't even have much cosmetic damage.

Besides, the damage in both games suck. That's why I didn't really include it in the comparison. t

Saying that one looks more colorful is more of an observation. Saying which one you think looks better with/without the extra saturation is an opinion.

Again, I don't know about head-tracking...I just read an article saying it wasn't going to be that great. I sure hope it's great.

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji™ wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji™ wrote:Like what? The debate table? This thread actually holds some facts unlike yours which are just ''FIREVER GT5 BITTERZ''

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/will-forza-motorsport-4-be-surperior-then-gran-turismo-5-t2136.htm

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/fall-battle-release-t2105.htm

14 people agreed with me in that thread.

''FIREVERS!''

All I'm saying is, don't hate on Alan's thread just because his has facts to back it up.

Who saids I was hating on Alan's thread? I just simple don't see the point of it that's all.

gamer22 wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:Like what? The debate table? This thread actually holds some facts unlike yours which are just ''FIREVER GT5 BITTERZ''

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/will-forza-motorsport-4-be-surperior-then-gran-turismo-5-t2136.htm

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/fall-battle-release-t2105.htm

14 people agreed with me in that thread.

''FIREVERS!''

All I'm saying is, don't hate on Alan's thread just because his has facts to back it up.

Who saids I was hating on Alan's thread? I just simple don't see the point of it that's all.

I don't see why your complaining about this thread when you enjoy posting youtube videos of fanboys that don't even belong to this site.

At the very least this thread has some useful information about engine performance for people who want to see the technical aspect of these games. You post "hey guys this guy said PS3 sucks, what an a-hole".

Alan_1994 wrote:I stand corrected.

It's still nothing special. No matter what labels you use. Even the recent videos showing damage look mediocre. In racing sims, cosmetic damage isn't their forte.

If you think GT5 is more colorful then I can't honestly debate further with you. No one said you couldn't prefer one's color pallete over another.

http://www.gtplanet.net/gt5s-head-tracking-underwhelming-but-damage-looking-beautiful/

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

gamer22 wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:Like what? The debate table? This thread actually holds some facts unlike yours which are just ''FIREVER GT5 BITTERZ''

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/will-forza-motorsport-4-be-surperior-then-gran-turismo-5-t2136.htm

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/fall-battle-release-t2105.htm

14 people agreed with me in that thread.

''FIREVERS!''

All I'm saying is, don't hate on Alan's thread just because his has facts to back it up.

Who saids I was hating on Alan's thread? I just simple don't see the point of it that's all.

I don't see why your complaining about this thread when you enjoy posting youtube videos of fanboys that don't even belong to this site.

At the very least this thread has some useful information about engine performance for people who want to see the technical aspect of these games. You post "hey guys this guy said PS3 sucks, what an a-hole".

Yeah, in the Fanboy section.

That's what it's there for -_-

gamer22 wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

gamer22 wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:

CyberpunkCentral wrote:

SlySonji wrote:Like what? The debate table? This thread actually holds some facts unlike yours which are just ''FIREVER GT5 BITTERZ''

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/will-forza-motorsport-4-be-surperior-then-gran-turismo-5-t2136.htm

http://ps3nation.roflforum.net/debate-table-f18/fall-battle-release-t2105.htm

14 people agreed with me in that thread.

''FIREVERS!''

All I'm saying is, don't hate on Alan's thread just because his has facts to back it up.

Who saids I was hating on Alan's thread? I just simple don't see the point of it that's all.

I don't see why your complaining about this thread when you enjoy posting youtube videos of fanboys that don't even belong to this site.

At the very least this thread has some useful information about engine performance for people who want to see the technical aspect of these games. You post "hey guys this guy said PS3 sucks, what an a-hole".

Yeah, in the Fanboy section.

That's what it's there for -_-

And this is in the general gaming section. And it's quite a refreshing topic so why try and ruin it by complaining about it?