More Developers praise blu-ray: Slam Microsoft for DVD desicion

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adro wrote:
yep and that's exactly my point, DVD drives wern't
standard in all PCs that gen like CD's drives, and they wern't used for
gaming.

You still haven't addressed the fact that there are no Blu-Ray games on PC, but even when DVD wasn't the norm, there were still DVD games on PC.

TRF, i'm not sure if u followed everything

anyway, what blu-ray for PC this gen is what DVD was that gen. and no they was no pc games on dvd until the the "next gen" arrived 1999/2000. I'm not sure if they were some rare exception but it wasn't the standard format for the pc.

adro wrote:

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adro wrote:
yep and that's exactly my point, DVD drives wern't
standard in all PCs that gen like CD's drives, and they wern't used for
gaming.

You still haven't addressed the fact that there are no Blu-Ray games on PC, but even when DVD wasn't the norm, there were still DVD games on PC.

TRF, i'm not sure if u followed everything

anyway, what blu-ray for PC this gen is what DVD was that gen. and no they was no pc games on dvd until the the "next gen" arrived 1999/2000. I'm not sure if they were some rare exception but it wasn't the standard format for the pc.

But like Stigma said, that gen didn't end until 2001, so DVD was in fact blossoming as a PC gaming format, and until we see Blu-Ray actually used for PC gaming, you can't make the connection between CD-ROM to DVD and DVD to Blu-Ray.

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But like Stigma said, that gen didn't end until 2001, so DVD was in fact blossoming as a PC gaming format, and until we see Blu-Ray actually used for PC gaming, you can't make the connection between CD-ROM to DVD and DVD to Blu-Ray.

- first even at 2002 the DVD's wasn't the PC standard format
- the ps2 was out the pc was still using cds i mean the pc version of gta3 was on cd hell even vice city was still on cd.
- just to make it clear, there is no PC game on DVD, that you guys can consider a 5th generation game not a single one.

the CDs were the 5th gen biggest format for games, and that is a fact.

ŦЯӺ wrote:Too bad the 360 came out five years ago.

Too bad I said "At least two years ago". Don't think for a minute MS made this policy two years ago. They had that policy right from the start. It's the only way they could take away one of PS3's strength. So in 2005 and 2006, if you were a developer and MS told you they will charge you extra fees for using extra disc, what would you do? Obviously make games that fit on one disc. MS pretty much forced developers to stay with the confines of 8GB.

Yes, it's an inconvenience, and Microsoft probably shouldn't be charging extra royalties.

It's the only way they could make sure BR was not an advantage.

Selling the DLC very well may rack up the same costs due to Microsoft and Sony charging the developer for space on their online stores.

Sony charges for space when it comes to demos. When it comes to the selling of DLC they get cut. MS gets a cut from DLC sales as well. But again it's a win win situation for everyone except for the consumer.

Two out of the three consoles this generation don't use Blu-Ray.

Two out of the three consoles upgraded their optical storage space. Wii could of used the same discs the Gamecube used. Wii didn't have a huge jump from the GC. Yet they upgraded. 360 is a much more significant jump and yet still using the same capacity. Wii can get away with using a DVD and 360 has also but only because they pretty much strong arming the developers into not going beyond 8GB. If 360 didn't have market share control of game sales, this would of played out exactly like PS1/N64.

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BlackStigma wrote:So does the PC count or doesn't it? It counts during exclusive talk but it doesn't now?

It counts when it supports their argument of choice.

It should count but I don't see how this supports DVD? Yes PC games come on DVD but they're not ran off DVD. The games are highly compressed far beyond what can be done on consoles to be properly ran directly off disc. Crysis after installation takes up 12GB and that was back in 2007. PC doesn't run games directly off disc, they run directly off hard drives so I ask the both of you this question. How big are your hard drives? I'm going to assume it's bigger than 8GB.

gamer22 wrote:
Two out of the three consoles upgraded their optical storage space. Wii could of used the same discs the Gamecube used. Wii didn't have a huge jump from the GC. Yet they upgraded. 360 is a much more significant jump and yet still using the same capacity. Wii can get away with using a DVD and 360 has also but only because they pretty much strong arming the developers into not going beyond 8GB. If 360 didn't have market share control of game sales, this would of played out exactly like PS1/N64.

Okay, so the 360 didn't upgrade its storage capacity. What was it supposed to upgrade to? DVD was the biggest format at the time. Microsoft is wrong to charge royalties, but you can't blame them for using DVD when it was the biggest format available.

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gamer22 wrote:
Two out of the three consoles upgraded their optical storage space. Wii could of used the same discs the Gamecube used. Wii didn't have a huge jump from the GC. Yet they upgraded. 360 is a much more significant jump and yet still using the same capacity. Wii can get away with using a DVD and 360 has also but only because they pretty much strong arming the developers into not going beyond 8GB. If 360 didn't have market share control of game sales, this would of played out exactly like PS1/N64.

Okay, so the 360 didn't upgrade its storage capacity. What was it supposed to upgrade to? DVD was the biggest format at the time. Microsoft is wrong to charge royalties, but you can't blame them for using DVD when it was the biggest format available.

HD-DVD was available. HD-DVD and Blu-ray were announced even before the announcement of the 360 and PS3. Hell Sony announced the PS3 will have Blu-ray even before they showed what the PS3 was. But again. HD-DVD is not a MS format so they had no interest in it. They only concern was to come out first no matter what. Come out first build up from there. Which is fine cause from a company/business perspective it was as smart decision that paid off. But I don't own stock in MS so as a consumer that's irrelevant to me.

What its boiling down to is money. DVD was the much more popular format at the time and MS knew this. They also knew it would be easier to develop for instead of having to learn new tech. Its alot easier for them to have a format that is already hugely popular than to back a new one right off the bat, as is evident with the failure of HD-DVD.

Sony on the other hand seen the potential of Blu-Ray and the size of games that could be put on it. They gambled and its paid off.

Reaper wrote:What its boiling down to is money. DVD was the much more popular format at the time and MS knew this. They also knew it would be easier to develop for instead of having to learn new tech. Its alot easier for them to have a format that is already hugely popular than to back a new one right off the bat, as is evident with the failure of HD-DVD.

Sony on the other hand seen the potential of Blu-Ray and the size of games that could be put on it. They gambled and its paid off.

You are correct. Money was huge factor. Using a HD-DVD drive would of up'd the cost of the 360. Popularity is not a concern though. And BR/HD-DVD aren't new tech in the sense they had to learn anything. They're still optical media using lasers to read information just like dvd only improved.

BlackStigma wrote:

adro wrote:it needs extra time and extra money , why the hell do you think their complaining for.

And when you think about it games are easier to develop on the 360 than the PS3 and easier to port as well. So it cost less money and takes less time to develop on the 360 to begin with. As for the complaining part, developers have bitched about developing on the PS3 since it came out but they do it anyways.

Hence why the multiplats are hailed as ''better'' among many. And developers bitched about it because it was new. How many developers bitch about how hard it is to develop on the PS3 now?

Oh, and TRF, you can blame them for rushing